thunderstruck wrote:
I have never seen sunfade completely remove one color.
You see it over here all the time in towns and cities, hence why I posted a picture of that crisp packet – they’re not normally blue and white 😉
Here’s what they look like new (attached).
Now compare that to the pic I linked to above. It’s not 100% the same design but look at the logo top right, blue is the only colour that seems to remain for whatever reason.
Up to you if you want to go from it, I’m not trying to be antagonistic I just thought I would help someone avoid disappointment is all.
If you have that itch and it’s gotta be scratched though, an extra VB isn’t bad and they’re always in demand if you don’t need it.
In fact, I’d even buy the loose VB if you wanted, so you could keep the box – I would like to have another for when the link cable is a bit further along.
So, after writing this post, I would like someone to pick it up! 🙂
Various Smiths Crisps bags in the past have been made with only blue in the logo, as a google image search proves. Thus, the picture in the link you provided shows that this bag was simply one such bag with an all blue logo.
Ben, I was judging that unit simply by the looks of that box, wich to me looks like extreme sunfade.
The best example of sunfade that I can find, is from a sunfaded VidPro card for WrestleMania Challenge for the Nes…
Check out the red colors on Hulk Hogans headband and on the Ljn rainbow and Nintendo logo, bleached to almost pure White, and that milky blue-ish color can be seen on the faded VidPro card and on that japan VB box.
But yeah I think the only way to know for sure would be to purchase the unit and give it a thorough examination…
If your bidding on it, then good luck!
I hope it’s everything you want it to be.
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Benjamin Stevens wrote:
Hey, vuefinder83.I read both of your posts and appreciate your comments.
First of all, I want to say that I won’t be bidding on the auction, as it seems the auction’s seller has created a restriction that won’t allow my proxy service to place a bid for me.
But secondly, I was looking at all of the VidoPro cards of that eBay seller, cheapgamestuff, from whom you got the picture of the Wrestlemania VidPro card, and what I saw seemed to confirm my suspicions. If you observe his many NES and SNES vidpro cards that he has for sale, you will see that almost all of them have had their colors reduced to very light red, yellow, and blue only. The important thing to note with this is that whenever something was originally a nice red, it has been reduced to a very light red, and nice yellow colors have been reduced to very light yellow colors, while nearly all other colors have been reduced to a light blue.
Before viewing all of these, I highly doubted that red would be able to be reduced to a blue color, since red and blue are primary colors with both light and ink. All of these VidPro cards now make me almost 100% certain that red cannot be reduced to a light blue. It can be reduced to a very light red and maybe an almost white, as you yourself noted, but not to any form of blue.
Perhaps you can now see why this makes me even more certain that the light blue Virtual Boy on the box front was never a nice red color, for if it had been, and it had its color reduced from sunlight, it should now be a very light red or almost white color.
Actually, to further prove my point, let’s closely examine one of the seller’s NES VidPro cards and compare it to its NES box counterpart. I chose Smash TV for this example, as it originally contained very nice red and blue colors, as well as other major colors like yellow, green, and purple.
If you observe the very sunfaded VidPro card and compare it to the game box, which shows what the colors on the VidPro card used to be, you can plainly see that what used to be deep red colors have become light red, and bright yellow colors have become light yellow, orange colors have become lighter oranges or closer to lighter yellow colors, while greens and blues have become forms of light blues, while the purples on the bows have actually become light reds.
But the thing I want you to notice the most is this: Look at the bad guys in the background. They were originally all black, white, and gray, but their gray colors, as a result of sunfade, have become a light blue. I don’t know of any better way to help prove 1 of 2 possibilities:
1. The image on the front of the Virtual Boy box largely appears with the same colors that appeared when it was originally printed.
2. If number 1 is not true, then the image on the front of the Virtual Boy box in the auction in question used to be a completely colorless image, otherwise known as a black and white image, but as a result of sunfade, the gray areas have turned a light blue over time.
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Ben I was really hoping you weren’t going to react that strongly, as noted, because it is just a box and I made no emotional statement or reaction towards you, even sent you a kind enough PM so you’d be assured there was no strong feeling on my side.
But that aside, your rundown is not quite how colour is set up in printing and it’s not how UV fades print colours – I did go into that in my last post and if you really don’t believe me you could ask someone in printing, like UncleTusk perhaps.
But in short – red doesn’t turn to blue. If it appears blue on the VB box – that’s the magenta layer having completely faded, yellow layer also completely faded, then any black and blue layers remaining visible because those inks don’t fade as fast.
Black isn’t a mixture of all three of those – it’s it’s own separate channel. This is commonplace printing on packaging – it works like this: https://designschool.canva.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/04/design-differences-11.jpg
Something I did to try and help you see this is split the CMYK layers out manually in Photoshop. You can have the image in there as CMYK (screens display in RGB but printing is CMYK) and then subtract the magenta and yellow channels to show what blue is left. The results make it really clear I think.
This isn’t me trying to cause any upset – but you couldn’t see what I was trying to illustrate with the crisps and this illustrates it much better. When the magenta and yellow fade completely, you are left with blue and black only. The red VB on the box has traces of blue in the shadows and also some black.
You can do this in Photoshop or another good image program if you want to see for yourself. The VidPro thing was a better example than a crisp packet sure – but that’s a completely separate image.
You upset me by your revealing that you hadn’t even read anything that I had written. If you had, you would have noticed that I had already debunked your Smiths Crisps bag example, and yet you told me to look at it a second time, as if I hadn’t already contemplated it. Showing people a Smiths Crisp bag that was originally printed in all blue and then telling them to trust you that there used to be red in it is not a way to prove that red can fade from light and leave behind a nice light blue. Neither did you acknowledge any of the details I provided to show how the present contents of the box strongly indicate a good chance of the box containing an early system, rather than just being the result of a misprint. But that’s okay, I mainly wrote that for VUE Finder, knowing that it would mean something to him, since I know he knows a lot about the early systems and their packaging. But anyway, if it were possible for red to fade from sunlight and leave behind a nice light blue, why can’t I find a single example of it on the internet? I have spent hours and hours trying to prove YOUR point, probably many more hours than you have, and I can’t find a single photo or credible mention of red fading and leaving behind a light blue anywhere online, which is why I was hoping you could spend the time and find at least one for me, since you are so confident that it can happen.
Also, changing the color of an image in Photoshop in no way comes close to mimicking what happens when a mostly white LIGHT fades the colors of PIGMENT on an object over time, which is why when I find examples to prove my point, I pick examples of real world cases, such as this one:
Look at the definitely sunfaded Virtual Boy box and compare it to the unique box containing the light blue Virtual Boy. This is most likely a case where a Virtual Boy box had been left near a window, and only part of it was exposed to much sunlight for quite some time.
Now, the first thing to notice is that if you look at the red of the Virtual Boy that has significantly faded from the light, in no way at all is it beginning to leave behind the nice blue color that is seen in the unique Virtual Boy box. One should be able to tell that if it is exposed to more and more light over time, it will continue to approach closer and closer to white, and the blue in the unique Virtual Boy box will never miraculously manifest itself.
But the second and even more important thing to notice is the black near the Virtual Boy that has also faded from sunlight. Notice how much lighter this black is than the black that appears in the same spot on the unique Virtual Boy box with the light blue Virtual Boy. Consider how much lighter the black on the sunfaded Virtual Boy box would be, if the red was completely reduced to white. If you still want to believe that the Virtual Boy on the unique box had all of its red completely faded, and a light blue somehow was left behind, then how would you explain how the black around the Virtual Boy hasn’t faded much more significantly, along with the red?
I guess I should also point out how the Photoshop example you provided only further helps to prove that the Virtual Boy on the box isn’t a result of sunfading. The parts near the top of the Virtual Boy in the image you made are extremely close to being completely white, while the same spots on the Virtual Boy of the unique box are a much nicer and deeper blue. Plus, I can still see red in the buttons of the controller and in the text on the box of your example, which I’m not seeing on the unique Virtual Boy box.
