In this thread we all want to post cool, spectacular, noteworthy, jaw-dropping […] Virtual Boy auctions on ebay, Yahoo or any other site…

At first here are two auctions on Yahoo Japan (Always cooool stuff on there!) for the japanese Nintendo Store Display:

➡<http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/58915948>

➡<http://page3.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/c39350994>

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Ok so there are two things going on: This maker of repro games does a lot for the VB community, and at the same time charges an exorbitant amount for a particular repro VB game, near certainly with the intention of fooling people into thinking they’re getting a copy from the original highly-sought after batch to justify the goliath price tag.

Can we all just agree on that? It seems like all the parties debating this are not acknowledging one of these facts or the other. We should all be saying “Thanks for all your hard work for the community Kevin, by the way that’s a shady thing you’re doing with Hyper Fighting.” It’s ok, that really seems like the fact here. Even if the creator of Hyper Fighting steps out of the shadows and settles any issues today, this should have been done before the very first sale if ethics were a concern.

DreamMary: That Virtual League Baseball proto has been on eBay for nearly two years now, we’ve discussed it in this thread before. tl;dr version: The owner has no idea of the value of the proto, and so is shooting for the stars basing the price off of TG-16 protos, which the seller feels are just as niche and desirable. As you can tell by the 2 year-old listing, his feeling is misguided lol.

if ethics were a concern.

Money > ethics in this case 🙁

Quaze wrote:
Ok so there are two things going on: This maker of repro games does a lot for the VB community, and at the same time charges an exorbitant amount for a particular repro VB game, near certainly with the intention of fooling people into thinking they’re getting a copy from the original highly-sought after batch to justify the goliath price tag.

Can we all just agree on that? It seems like all the parties debating this are not acknowledging one of these facts or the other. We should all be saying “Thanks for all your hard work for the community Kevin, by the way that’s a shady thing you’re doing with Hyper Fighting.” It’s ok, that really seems like the fact here. Even if the creator of Hyper Fighting steps out of the shadows and settles any issues today, this should have been done before the very first sale if ethics were a concern.

Thank you for actually reading.

It’s all about taking someone elses work, copying it, and selling it without the original creators consent. Hyper Fighting just happens to be the one that has market value/exposure. I already said it before, but I’ll say it again. I have no problems with repros being made, as long as the creator of the rom and the person selling have actually talked and made an agreement.

Remember the Rose Colored Gaming thing where they were selling games that were made by people who didn’t give them consent to sell their games at all, and everyone was pissed off? Same idea.

Ok I wasn’t going to ask this but since you keep bringing it up, I’m going to. Just keep in mind, I’m trying to make sense of this and not attacking anyone.

How is it any worse for Mellott to make a repro cart of the game when MK is “taking someone else’s work” (Capcom’s) and “copying it” (Street Fighter). “Without the original creators consent.” (Again, Capcom’s).

If you are going to be upset at Mellott shouldn’t you be upset at MK also? (arguably more so)

speedyink wrote:
Thank you for actually reading.

It’s all about taking someone elses work, copying it, and selling it without the original creators consent. Hyper Fighting just happens to be the one that has market value/exposure. I already said it before, but I’ll say it again. I have no problems with repros being made, as long as the creator of the rom and the person selling have actually talked and made an agreement.

Remember the Rose Colored Gaming thing where they were selling games that were made by people who didn’t give them consent to sell their games at all, and everyone was pissed off? Same idea.

Levine91 wrote:
Ok I wasn’t going to ask this but since you keep bringing it up, I’m going to. Just keep in mind, I’m trying to make sense of this and not attacking anyone.

How is it any worse for Mellott to make a repro cart of the game when MK is “taking someone else’s work” (Capcom’s) and “copying it” (Street Fighter). “Without the original creators consent.” (Again, Capcom’s).

If you are going to be upset at Mellott shouldn’t you be upset at MK also? (arguably more so)

No worries, you gotta know somehow.

MK didn’t rip SF2 from a cart, burn it to another cart and then resell it. All the code, all the assets, everything was created from scratch, by MK. Even though it looks just like SF2, it was entirely built from the ground up with SF2 as the inspiration.

Had Kevin coded another Hyper Fighting from the ground up, using MK’s work as inspiration, and sold that, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. Then instead of selling someone elses work on a cart, he’s now selling his own code on a cart.

I don’t think Kevin is a bad guy, he clearly has done some awesome stuff for the community. No matter who it is though, taking someone elses work and reselling it without permission just doesn’t sit well to me. Maybe I’m being over protective, but the VB community is something special, and means a lot to me. I don’t want anyone feeling like they’ve been taken advantage of.

Excellent explanation speedyink, and much more elegantly explained then anything I could have written.

speedyink wrote:
No worries, you gotta know somehow.

MK didn’t rip SF2 from a cart, burn it to another cart and then resell it. All the code, all the assets, everything was created from scratch, by MK. Even though it looks just like SF2, it was entirely built from the ground up with SF2 as the inspiration.

Had Kevin coded another Hyper Fighting from the ground up, using MK’s work as inspiration, and sold that, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. Then instead of selling someone elses work on a cart, he’s now selling his own code on a cart.

I don’t think Kevin is a bad guy, he clearly has done some awesome stuff for the community. No matter who it is though, taking someone elses work and reselling it without permission just doesn’t sit well to me. Maybe I’m being over protective, but the VB community is something special, and means a lot to me. I don’t want anyone feeling like they’ve been taken advantage of.

So if that’s how it’s felt, what is there to worry about Capcom attacking with copyright infringement for the full ROM coming out? You can say inspired all you want it’s still character designs, character names, box art, stages, etc that Capcom designed themselves. Whether or not someone else figured out how to design the sprites or code themselves, it’s all still content/art that Capcom owns.

I really don’t care if someone went through and did this with 100 different games that already exist or even someone else selling them as repro carts. I just think it’s ridiculous that there seems to be a double standard going on when talking about stealing content.

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Levine91 wrote:
So if that’s how it’s felt, what is there to worry about Capcom attacking with copyright infringement for the full ROM coming out? You can say inspired all you want it’s still character designs, character names, box art, stages, etc that Capcom designed themselves. Whether or not someone else figured out how to design the sprites or code themselves, it’s all still content/art that Capcom owns.

I really don’t care if someone went through and did this with 100 different games that already exist or even someone else selling them as repro carts. I just think it’s ridiculous that there seems to be a double standard going on when talking about stealing content.

Why do you think it was never publicly available for sale? Hyper Fighting was a project of love, it never was nor was it intended to be sold publicly or for profit. Would you expect Nintendo for coming after you for making yourself a fan drawing of Nintendo characters for you and your friends? No, not until you pump them out and put them up for sale is there a problem. These repros of the original Hyper Fighting are the first time they’ve been produced for public sale. Anything before that was part of a very small run made for the community, and even when personal copies went up for sale people had a problem with it, as that was not the intention for them.

Back to the fan drawing analogy, imagine if someone copied your drawing you never publicly sold and then..put it up for sale. Now it’s not only lame that someone took it, but now they’re also drawing more attention to it which isn’t good for all the reasons you just said. It makes you look bad, even though you never planned to do that in the first place.

Trust me, there’s a whole lot about this game you clearly don’t know, and it’s why people are so touchy about it.

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speedyink wrote:
Why do you think it was never publicly available for sale? Hyper Fighting was a project of love, it never was nor was it intended to be sold publicly or for profit. Would you expect Nintendo for coming after you for making yourself a fan drawing of Nintendo characters for you and your friends? No, not until you pump them out and put them up for sale is there a problem. These repros of the original Hyper Fighting are the first time they’ve been produced for public sale. Anything before that was part of a very small run made for the community, and even when personal copies went up for sale people had a problem with it, as that was not the intention for them.

Back to the fan drawing analogy, imagine if someone copied your drawing you never publicly sold and then..put it up for sale. Now it’s not only lame that someone took it, but now they’re also drawing more attention to it which isn’t good for all the reasons you just said. It makes you look bad, even though you never planned to do that in the first place.

Trust me, there’s a whole lot about this game you clearly don’t know, and it’s why people are so touchy about it.

If there is a whole lot that I don’t know, then please share, as I’m certain I’m not the only one in that boat.

If people are donating money to the project and are getting a copy in return, yes, I would expect Nintendo, Capcom, or whoever to come after me. If that very small run was for sale exclusively within the community, it would be no different than if they were sold publicly. Just less attention. It would still be against the morals you are talking about.

This would also bring into question, why is no one worried or upset about repros of other official games being publicly for sale (Bound High, SD Gundam, etc).

Yeah, I second that about other repros as well. I doubt anyone is giving Nintendo or the developers a slice of the pie with those sales.

Maybe Hyper Fighting hits closer to home because of its history within the community.

I am glad it was made available because it gave me an opportunity to play it. I most likely wouldn’t have been able to otherwise.

Street Fighter 2 has been such a culturally significant video game that it literally just got a new release recently on Nintendo Switch as Ultra Street Fighter 2. That’s a big difference then the other games which never went on any other platforms, understand now?

Dreammary wrote:
Street Fighter 2 has been such a culturally significant video game that it literally just got a new release recently on Nintendo Switch as Ultra Street Fighter 2. That’s a big difference then the other games which never went on any other platforms, understand now?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IS11GOUIiHg

Nope, I dont. You dont need to get upset about it. No reason to give it special treatment either. Copyright is copyright. Gundam is a gigantic property as well (overall) and could do just as much legal harm.

This reminds me of Stadium Events honestly. Seems like some just want it to be a bragging rights trophy.

Ill just leave it alone now though. Clearly we will all just keep going in circles about it.

Levine91 wrote:

Dreammary wrote:
Street Fighter 2 has been such a culturally significant video game that it literally just got a new release recently on Nintendo Switch as Ultra Street Fighter 2. That’s a big difference then the other games which never went on any other platforms, understand now?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IS11GOUIiHg

Nope, I dont. You dont need to get upset about it. No reason to give it special treatment either. Copyright is copyright. Gundam is a gigantic property as well (overall) and could do just as much legal harm.

This reminds me of Stadium Events honestly. Seems like some just want it to be a bragging rights trophy.

Ill just leave it alone now though. Clearly we will all just keep going in circles about it.

Yep, hit the nail on the head. People just want it to be some bragging rights trophy and are bent out of shape that now OTHER people have it too. OH NO, boo hoo. I think im going to start selling repros of hyper fighting on ebay the second I have the chance. More people should have the chance to buy it. And btw Gundam came out like 12 years before street fighter 2 even existed, and like you said, nobody seems to care about the repros that have gone around. NEVER have I seen a complaint. And Gundam is something that eclipses street fighter by 10x fold. But this is different, because this was ripping off something else with “love”. People need to get over it. Your copies of hyper fighting aren’t special. The complaining here is ridiculous, go start a different thread already. Everytime I think a new post about some cool vb related auction has been made, its just this nonsense again and again.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Hyper-Fighting-Street-Fighter-2-Homebrew-for-Nintendo-Virtual-Boy/323248864340?hash=item4b43223c54:g:0SsAAOSwSXFa80te

wooop

[speedyink]

Wow, this thread is like a broken record.

You guys can believe what you want, Hyper Fighting is just another game in my collection. I’ve stated multiple times what my issue is, and if you can’t parse the information from the text then not my problem.

Hopefully MK still feels like programming that Star Fox like game you guys were looking forward to. I mean, why wouldn’t he knowing that someone else will just rip it and resell and you guys won’t give a crap, saying it’s his own fault.

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I thought this was pretty interesting:
eBay item #263608086487 is a Virtual League Baseball prototype. The guy selling it has no idea if there are any differences between this and the final version.

VirtualChris wrote:
I thought this was pretty interesting:
eBay item #263608086487 is a Virtual League Baseball prototype. The guy selling it has no idea if there are any differences between this and the final version.

Scroll up a bit, this item gets tons of coverage in this thread.

VirtualChris wrote:
I thought this was pretty interesting:
eBay item #263608086487 is a Virtual League Baseball prototype. The guy selling it has no idea if there are any differences between this and the final version.

Ha yea, thats been brought up here quite a bit.

Yeah that Virtual Baseball Proto has been up for sale for well over a year. Not surprising, that’s a lot of money for what it is. If anything it would be cool to have just for the dev cart, but again, way too much. The seller talked to me about it actually when he put it up for sale, asking me about it. I told him the asking price was too much, but he didn’t seem to care. Either he paid a good chunk of money for it, or he knows that VB dev stuff is hard to come by.

Saw a complete open jack bros sold for $750