VBSAM wrote:

Ummm, tell that to DanB. He handled polygonal graphics just fine in his Hunter homebrew.

That’s all fine and dandy, Hunter is an excellent example of polygon graphics but it was DanB that told me polygon graphics were not the way to go. Especially the high level of polygons I would need to create the graphics I want to achieve.

Anyway thanks for this tutorial as I have more questions ill be sure to post.

I’ve tried this but I’m afraid that with all of that pressure on the visor that it could rip. So I went back to the old faithful position of crouched down playing. Could that pressure rip the visor?

DanB wrote:

3D images on VB can be done in two ways, both invloving showing slightly different screens to each eye.

The “cheapest” (and most common) way is to show the exact same sprite to both eyes, but with a few pixels horizontal displacement. This gives the illusion of cardboard cut-out flat objects at different depth in the screen.

The better result, with actual 3D objects, is done by pre-rendering your models at two different angles, putting both of them in a background map, and showing each model to a separate eye.

As far as 3d models I was’nt talking about renders that were from differant angles like 3d movies. I was talking about objects that are modeled in 3d modeling programs like Max and Maya that were placed in the Virtual Boy’s Virtual space. I guess there is no way to do that. Are their programmers that are working on polygon engines that are good enough for games and would consider working on making a displacement engine for the V.B. as well. I mean think of the possibilities once we had the tools. I’ve seen DanB’s Zelda screenshots and even though very impressive if the buildings and the river actually had depth how much more impressive would that be. The way I see it is we can only go so far with 2d games on a 3d level the next step is displacement, and then polygon generated graphics. But I know I’m not telling you anything that you already don’t know.

Thank you for that clarification. That was the answer I had hoped to get.

Here’s a new question same topic. I looked in the Wiki (of course a non programmer looking in the Wiki lol (a bit like Mickey looking in the book of incantations in Sorcerer’s Apprentice). And couldn’t find anything on this so here it goes. You know how Wario’s arms are on one level of 3d space and his body on another level. Is it possible to use 3 colors on his body and a different 3 colors on his arm?

RunnerPack wrote:

“you will not find what you seek there, since that type of graphic manipulation is far beyond the VB’s capabilities. The VB is pretty much restricted to moving groups of 4-shade (2-bit) grey-scale pixels around. The most advanced thing it can do is the affine transform, which can be used for scaling, rotating, and skewing four-sided “chunks” of bitmap.”

Ok I get what your saying about how it can’t be done but what about putting a 3d object in a background you see this in almost every V.B. Game on the market. Can we not do that either. And if the Wiki allows you to do that why won’t it just raise some pixels on the z axis (toward the viewer) and lower some on the z axis (away from the viewer) by some kind of map or some other way of specifing instead of drawing each level and saying ok this is level one away from the eye-level 3 closer to the eye. Could it be added to the Mad Scientist Laboratory. I mean did Nintendo model all of their objects or did they have some kind of displacement tools. I guess I see it as a modeling tool just another way of making a 3d object on the Virtual Boy. Please tell me what I’m missing.

In the future…………Cool now that’s what I’m talkin about.

Guys Thanks for all of your help. I went to the Spriters Resource and found the answers to my questions. But seeing all of the sprites ripped from other games leads me to a greater question. In the far future not now too busy with life and the game that I’m commited to now. But in the future is it possible to use those sprites and give credit(while I was there I read the terms and conditions) to create our own V.B. Zelda, CastleVania,Metroid and other games. I mean the sprites are just there for the taking and I’ve found sites that have the Music to these wonderful games. I know a little about tilesets and pixel edited graphics and I’m sure on all of PVB somebody works with music. Is it possible to remake the classics(We could write our own stories and add our own graphics and music) on Virtual Boy!

Thanks guys,
this looks like a good springboard.

So once you assign the color pallete can you change it per sprite, or is it only for the whole image. For example can you have a sprite with 2 shades of red and black and a scrolling background with one shade of black and 3 shades of red?

Well guys here’s the final version I probably will not change it unless there are some real problems. If you notice I avoided the issue of rhyming with Gunpei and Yokoi all together. Anyway I hope you like the new imagery.

Virtual Renaissance

Come and see look inside,
The fate of it’s darkest secret they cannot hide.
Listen closely and I will tell,
About a breakthrough concept that wouldn’t sell.
See this system it’s face to yours,
Peer inside a 3d door
The “screen” appears with darkness fading,
Read the Instructions before operating.
It’s fate is sad as you will soon see,
Adjust your focus and IPD.
Its father RTI it’s mother Nintendo,
But the fate of this hardware was one sad crescendo!
Gunpei Yokoi was the matchmaker,
If the project should fail he was the risk taker.
What should of ussured in a new time,
Was seen as a freak a faulty design.
Not a Metroid nor Zelda nor Mario,
Was packed in its launch when they let it go.
Between SNES betwixt 64,
Big N wanted cash and they wanted more.
It was launched with only just a handful of games,
They thought just it’s concept would bring them fortune and fame.
The company heads wanted games from the best companies,
But that proved to be a fatal strategy.
Across the Sea yet it was launched,
The Yen was so few to the big N still haunts.
Neck aches and head aches and red and black look,
So was the fate not reading the instruction book.
The audience wondered why the couldn’t see 3d
But none of them thought what the heck Is the IPD!
So it was then launched on American Shores.
The worst Launch in history for Uncle Sam’s stores.
The Commercials were running the prices were dropping,
Nintendo’s profits took quite a chopping.
But let’s not let this great system die,
Let’s launch it again with D-Hopper and Bound High.
But before it could reach greatness before a fair try.
They pulled the plug and then watched it die.
And even though Gunpei Yokoi was the mastermind
When this system failed he was left behind.
He took it hard when the system got robbed,
He lost his position and then lost his job.
But his genius and legacy we will always honor.
But to Nintendo he was a goner.
The system died without much cause,
Placed in the cemetery of gaming…Automatic pause.
But there were some not really a few,
That saw 3d gaming as really something new.
These were the ones that saw it’s potential,
And knew that stereoptic games was fun exponential.
So Silently they worked with their Virtual boy.
They toiled and programmed and were not annoyed.
Till the millennium dawned and were given a place,
To voice their findings through cyberspace.
Then one day a flash cartridge was born,
The dark day was ended the break of the morn.
It gave us hope it gave us joy.
The greatest triumph from it’s death was called the Flash Boy.
It entered The gamming cemetery full of gloom,
And went before V.B.’s lonely tomb.
“Unto death”( it spoke) you are no longer a slave.
The flash boy exclaimed;” arise from your grave,
And oscillate your mirrors once more,
And let LEDs flash as never before.”
Then we all knew that the system was back,
The king of 3d V.B. red and black!

I recommend using Pro Motion 6 by cosmigo http://www.cosmigo.com/promotion/index.php it is Deluxe Paint for the new millennium. It is strictly a pixel editor so you really are not going to be able to do modern image manipulating with it but for pixel editing it rocks. It’s set up specifically to do sprites and tilesets to make drawing theese kind of games a breeze. Unfortunately I haven’t bought it because I can’t spare the cash right now but I’ve used the demo and it is on my list of must haves!

Ok,
I’m sorry I asked how to pronounce it and I got a response which I thought it was right. It’s obvious that you know more about how to pronounce his name than I do so I’ll try my best to correct it. Meanwhile I do have a couple of new verses that I want to add that I know will rhyme, I’ll keep you posted when I write my final draft.

Ok gang, here’s the new poem that includes a few verses on Gunpei Yokoi. Let me know if you like it.

Virtual Renaissance

Listen closely and I will tell,
About a breakthrough system that wouldn’t sell.
Its father RTI it’s mother Nintendo,
But the fate of this system was one sad crescendo!
The matchmaker was gameboy master Gunpei Yokoi,
Nintendo and RTI kept this union low key.
What should of ussured in a new time,
Was seen as a freak a faulty design.
Not a Metroid nor Zelda nor Mario,
Was packed in its launch when they let it go.
Between SNES betwixt 64,
Big N wanted cash and they wanted more.
It was launched with only just a handful of games,
They thought just it’s concept would bring them fortune and fame.
The company heads wanted games from the best companies,
But that proved to be a fatal strategy.
Across the Sea yet it was launched,
The Yen was so few to the big N still haunts.
Neck aches and head aches and red and black look,
So was the fate not reading the instruction book.
So it was then launched on American Shores.
The worst Launch in history for Uncle Sam’s stores.
The Commercials were running the prices were dropping,
Nintendo’s profits took quite a chopping.
But let’s not let this great system die,
Let’s launch it again with D-Hopper and Bound High.
But before it could reach greatness before a fair try.
They pulled the plug and then watched it die.
There had to be someone for these lost profits to pay,
So it wound up being the mastermind Gunpei ,
He took it bad when the system got robbed,
He lost his position and then lost his job.
But there were some not really a few,
That saw 3d gaming as really something new.
These were the ones that saw it’s potential,
And knew that stereoptic games was fun exponential.
So Silently they worked with their Virtual boy.
They toiled and programmed and were not annoyed.
Till the millennium dawned and were given a place,
To voice their findings through cyberspace.
Then one day a flash cartridge was born,
The dark day was ended the break of the morn.
It gave us hope it gave us joy.
The greatest triumph from it’s death was called the Flash boy.
It entered The system graveyard full of gloom,
And went before it’s lonely tomb.
“Unto death”( it spoke) you are no longer a slave.
The flash boy exclaimed;” arise from your grave,
And oscillate your mirrors once more,
And let LEDs flash as never before.”
Then we all knew that the system was back,
The king of 3d V.B. red and black!

Thanks for the pronunciation Ill work on updating the poem paying my respects to Mr. Yokoi. BTW that is a seriously scary palindrome guys.But at least it will help me with remembering how to spell oscillate.

Thanks guys, hey since you read it do you think I should add something about Gunpei Yokoi. I wanted to but I couldn’t figure out how to pronounce his name. As you probably have figured you can’t rhyme what you cannot pronounce. Anyway thank you for your compliments. And as far as the spelling of oscillate I can’t believe that spell check missed that one well thank you for your insight. I should also thank KRI55E for reviewing it first, thanks.

Thanks I’ll have to give that a try too.

Thanks Benjamin Stevens I don’t think I would of ever figured it out.

On Youtube Iv’e actually seen a demo for Links Awakening for the VB is it a hoax or is someone working on it?

Has anyone ever played Legacy of the Wizard? Now that was an original concept for it’s time.